Navigating a High Powered Career, Kids, and Marriage with Newscaster Elizabeth Prann

Elizabeth Prann has an impressive career in journalism - but what I love about her story is that she CHOSE this life even when she didn't have to.

You see, Elizabeth is married to a professional baseball player - but she NEVER let his career put her career in the backseat.  She did whatever she had to do, to continue to grow herself, and challenge herself.  

Elizabeth talks about her struggle with "all the sticky floors" including imposter syndrome, figuring out how to be a good communicator, and her decision to give up alcohol for good to make more room in her life for the GOOD stuff.

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Today we have with us Elizabeth Pran. Now Elizabeth is not only a fellow Floridian and a proud Gator, but she is also a powerhouse in journalism with an incredible story to share. I want you to get ready to hear about her unique path from the lacrosse fields to the national newsrooms and how she and her husband navigated to high powered careers and long distances and the valuable lessons that she's learned about overcoming imposter syndrome. And shedding what no longer serves you. Trust me, you do not want to miss out on this episode. You are listening to the glass ceiling and sticky floor podcast. The podcast that will empower you to shatter the limiting beliefs and toxic behaviors to uncover infinite possibilities. So you can live your best life. I'm Erica Rooney and I'm on a mission to bring more women into positions of power and keep them there. I'm obsessed with all things, growth and abundance. And I'm here to talk you through the tried and true secrets to get you to level up your career and your life. We talk about the hard stuff here. Imposter syndrome, perfectionism, fear and burnout. So pull up. pop in and near bed and let's dive in. Today we have Elizabeth Pran on the show. Elizabeth, I am so super pumped to have yet another Floridian and a UF grad at that on the show. How are you? Yeah, go Gators. I'm in the Windy City, uh, and a little bit far from home. But of course, we both know that our hearts are in Gainesville. We're Gators at heart. But the sunshine state can't be with us forever. So we're on the road again. Yeah. Yeah. We bleed orange and blue. I love it. Well, Elizabeth, tell everyone who's listening. Who is Elizabeth Opran? What's your story? I know. I hope I can make it sound as interesting as some of the guests that you've had on here, and I'll go back, uh, go back to Gainesville, because I will admit that I am a little bit of a unicorn in the journalism world, only because I went to the University of Florida, being a Colorado native. Actually because of their journalism program, and I played lacrosse in high school and I wasn't quite good enough to play D one D two or D three. Now the women's lacrosse team now in Gainesville is of course D one but at the time they were transitioning so they were taking like, you know, The water girls like me and allowing them to play on the team and compete at that level. And um, I went to school there. I went there for print. I had no, really no interest getting into television news. I was pushed and pushed by my professors that it is a dying industry. And I said, well, writing is never a dying industry. I see what you're saying print is, but they did say that perhaps there would be some crossover after college. And, um, I met my now husband there. He was a baseball player at the time. Uh, and was going to go to med school where I was able to get a job outside of college. There was no thought of him playing in the major league. So that wasn't necessarily part of our future. But of course, life is what happens when you're planning for other things, right? So, if you fast forward to our graduation, I had gotten a job as a young assistant to Greta Van Susteren. So it was really my gateway into the industry at the time. She was a 10pm primetime host, doing mostly crime, and I loved crime. You might relate to this, I'm a little bit of a crime junkie, and that's how I got into journalism. I worked behind the scenes for a couple years, I worked for her. I did some booking for the news channel at the time, um, at the time Fox was really launching and into the world of politics. It was wonderful to be in DC. I traveled internationally with her, went to the booking desk, got into producing. And after some time I thought, you know, I'm going to give it a shot. I'm going to take a job at Local News. I was older at the time to get in front of the camera, and I got a job at one of the smallest markets in the United States, Panama City Beach, which is obviously known for other things. I was making 18, 000 a year, and at this point my, my boyfriend, now husband, had, um, he wasn't my husband at the time, but he deferred an, an offer for 5, 000 to play for the Los Angeles, the Angels, Angels of Anaheim, not Los Angeles, of Anaheim. And for us, 5, 000, 18, 000. I mean, we're rich, right? We are, we are living the life. So he took that opportunity and I took the local nudge job and we both gave ourselves two years to see where we would end up. And I had gotten a phone call from the network and I was very young, very, very young in my late twenties to be at the national level. Uh, and I took the job out of the Southeast and then. Probably slept in Atlanta just a handful of nights over the next three to four years. I was all over the country. He was all over the country. And it was really an exploratory period for us to sort of figure out where we were. We would always just meet each other on the road. Um, and it was lonely at times, but it also was an opportunity for us both to explore what boundaries and what capabilities we had and we always ended up going back to each other. Um, we got married and didn't end up living together until we decided to have our first child and I thought I was going to hang up my hat. And I was blessed enough to be transferred to our DC bureau where I anchored for years and years. Uh, he at this point was in probably year 12 of his major league career and he was traded to the Braves, which is in Atlanta. I thought my television career was over and I was lucky enough for connections to find me at CNN and HLN. And I worked there for a number of years before I was laid off. And then again, I thought my career was over at this point, we had three children and, um, you know, after being in the business for a number of years, I did have connections at now news nation, which is almost four years old. And it's a startup network that is really just looking to provide people a balance. Um, I think we can all agree that it's hard to find, uh, an unbiased network. The network's not perfect, but it's doing a great job. Um, I'm actually really proud to be a part of it during the election. And that's why I'm in the Windy City today. And yeah, I was gonna say, what a crazy year to be joining up with them with everything going on again in the world today. But wow, what, I didn't know all of that about your love story, about how you would just meet up on the road, like so unique, so different. And y'all have been married for how long now? This is going to be our 14th year of marriage. So we spent six years doing long distance. Um, so I mean, Darren doesn't like it when I round up, but we met in 2004. So we are, are just right around our 20th anniversary of being Uh, I guess together in some way or another, we all know that there's, there's rocky points prior to getting married, especially when you're doing long distance. But for the most part, um, we have spent the past two decades somehow navigating life together with two very, very odd careers that typically do not sync up. And there were times. When we talk about sticky floors, uh, I don't, I could not count on, on both of my hands how many sticky floors we have hit, um, in both of our, in both of our careers where we thought we were done. Uh, it's very black and white in both. Very interesting. And three kids to the mix, right? You have three kids, seven chickens, four dogs, and a number of turtle and crayfish, depending on what my nine year old daughter picks up in the ponds nearby the house. Oh, that just sent me, y'all, because she immediately knew exactly how many chickens she had. Yeah, I love a good chicken. I'm Jones. I mean, if we didn't live in Metro Atlanta, boy, it would be livestock. I would, you know, goats, pigs, sign me up. I'll take it all. I'll take it all. Take any animal I can get. Oh my gosh, I love that. Well, let's dive into these sticky floors. Cause I am just, my brain is going wild thinking of which ones you probably experienced throughout this entire wild ride. And so when you hear that term sticky floors, which one jumps out at you? I would say the intimidation of, um, of my husband's career is one of them. I would at times feel Selfish that I was following my career. I would feel shame that I would miss huge, huge monumental moments in his career that anyone who was with their life partner in would miss, right? I mean, I missed him in some time. He was in the World Series and I couldn't make it there once. And he had, you know, championship games that I missed, or division games that I missed. We were really blessed that Darren had this long career that no one could anticipate, and he never put that pressure on me. I would say it'd be passive aggressive comments, whether it be, um, unintentionally, maybe from, um, folks who work in the stadium, who, who just couldn't understand why I wouldn't be there all the time supporting him. I think it's so hard when you have and you're so proud of that other person, but I just wanted to scream from the mountaintops that I married the man I didn't marry the sport and we both knew going into it that there's no guarantees in life. And so for him to have that career and that length career that's not a guarantee, but having a career outside of it so mine would be something that we could always fall back on. Um, and we were, we were blessed. We were blessed with Darren's career, but that wasn't part of the plan. We never banked on that. I would say another. Sticky floor would be trying to navigate, you know, in my early thirties. I really did want to start a family. How was I going to do that? There was no way that I was going to figure out how to maintain a network level career and have three children, but I just, I just didn't want to. To give it up, even if it was taken from me, if I would say was laid, I was laid off at one point or Darren was traded another point. I didn't know where I was going, but I knew that I wasn't done. And that was always in the back of my head. Um, each pregnancy felt like I was hitting a stickier floor because I would have breathing issues during some of my live hits, which led me once to a panic attack on Fox and friends. And for some reason, Jesus protected me and it doesn't live on the internet. But when I tell you I walked out of the office that day and I thought to myself, I'm never sitting in a studio again. And then I had a mixture of combination and shame and imposter syndrome. I'm too young to be at this level. I'm making my mistakes at a national level. I had assumed that video would be circulating all over the internet. And for some, I'm sure someone can find it and it would be fabulous for them. And it would be not so fabulous for me at this point. Now it was, it was such a long time ago. But the, the instability in not knowing if I was going to be able to work the next day, make it to work the next day, or if I was going to be viral on the internet was just another, another sticky floor. And then also, um, you know, am I staying relevant? Am I, am I making the right decision? I'm sitting here in Chicago when, you know, there are other people taking care of my three children right now. I could talk to about a sticky floor right now. Am I making the right decision? I'm not picking them up from camp. They only have so many summers at home. You know, the sticky floors can be anywhere you look for them. It's just whether or not you keep walking. And that would, that would be a few sticky floors. But I think that They're, they're everywhere. No, they really are everywhere. But I loved what you said earlier, and I wrote it down, but you said that you didn't know where you were going, but you just knew you weren't done. And I thought that was so powerful because, number one, none of us really know where we're going. Sometimes we think we do, but then we're, we never end up where we're headed. And I thought that was so powerful, but I wanted to ask you when you were growing up, did you come from a more of a traditional household where the dad had the powerful career and the mom kind of followed suit behind? Very, very traditional. And I, and I never knew, I could never tell you how that impacted me to where I am today. Was it a motivator? And I tell my nine year old daughter this a lot. Cause she'll ask me, you know, we'll be on the way home and she'll say, you know, so and so's, you know, Mom doesn't work. And I say, Well, she does. Actually, um, she works really hard and she doesn't have someone like us who is helping her. And so in some ways, her job is actually harder than mine, even though you don't see her mom, whether it be on network news or whether it be her speaking and engagements or whether her be going to the doctor's office where she works or at a law firm where she works or as a store owner or a boutique owner, you know, so I think I think it was a motivator for me. Um, also because I did want to offer something dynamic to my family. And I wanted, uh, I also wanted my husband to feel a sense of pride with who he chose to be his partner. And I say that in a sense, it doesn't have to be a career. If I wanted to have my own dog walking business and I only walked three dogs, I would own that. I would own that. And that would be my career, which by the way, sounds like a fabulous sounds kind of dreamy right now. Sounds good. It kind of sounds really dreamy. Yeah. So I don't think that women need to feel pressure that you have to, you have to be, uh, someone like you who leads on the internet or is a motivational speaker or does tough, hard things. Your hard thing can be whatever you find hard. And that could be something as unique as owning your own business online or owning a dog walking business, which again, I think is. Anything that you own, I think is awesome. Yeah. No, I was asking because I often reflect like number one on how different childhoods and how people support, you know, and their kids grow. But I came to my father was a business owner. My mother was a nurse. It wasn't ever said that one career was better than the other, but there was always this implied powerful head job. And then a nurse, you know, and I don't think I really internalize that either. I thought I was always just going to be, uh, mostly not a stay at home mom. I knew I always wanted to work, but I was never really motivated by like chasing after big titles or growth. And then All of a sudden I'm in the C suite looking around, like how the hell did I get here? And it's because I do love accomplishment and I think that's good, but I want to encourage at least my kids, I have a boy and a girl six and nine that they can either stay home or they can go to work. They can work for a corporation or they can do a business, right? Like whatever they see us doing in this house and kind of like how you're talking about other homes, doing other things like. It works for everybody and kind of stepping away from that societal expectation of this is what it should look like. And I also tell, I tell my oldest, uh, to own the niche that you find. So I'm not someone like Lynn Smith who has my own show and I think I own that because I'm really good at being your number one bridesmaid. I am a maid of honor. I show up on time. I know the program. So if you're going to go out of town and you are the bride, I'm going to let you know that I can stand in for you. And I actually sold that to my now boss, who was my boss at, at Fox news. And I said to her wish, by the way, I love to talk about how I think I've had these guardians, these female guardians. I call them the guardians of my galaxy throughout my career. is that when I told her, this is what I can give you. And I'm just going to be honest. I do. I would love to be a bride. I would love to have all of the things. I would love to have the assistant and the show and the studio and the lights, but that doesn't fit my narrative and my fantasy. What my fantasy right now is, is really just living in the moment with my kids, perhaps to a point where it's flirting with being unhealthy because The reason why I don't wanna be a stay at home mom is'cause I think they'll just break my heart when they leave me, when they're ready to leave me. So I have to have my own hobby and my own things, but I also own the fact that I'm not looking to take anyone's chair, not looking to steal your job. I just wanna make sure that you get good ratings. When I sit in your chair, I'm gonna do my research. It's probably not gonna be perfect, uh, a little bit of a DHD, but I'll keep the, I'll keep the train on the tracks and I own it. And so what I. Figured on how to serve the only way that I survive at the network level was to know exactly what niche I could fill, and it was unique to me. I wasn't vying for another person's job. I wanted that woman at 6pm to succeed. She's really good at it. She makes more money than I do. She does. She has more time to dedicate to it. But when she wants to go on vacation on July 1st to the 3rd, you better believe I'll sit in that chair for her and I will do a great job and then I'll go home with my bags packed. I'll do it. No one has to worry. I'm not, not picking a fight with anybody. I'm not stealing anyone's job. And also I get a lot out of it too. I love working with producers on stories and I like doing it for all the different shows. And that's what I bring to the table too, is when I said, you know, I, I don't want. I don't want my own staff and my own show, but I want to work with everybody and figure out what makes that show tick and what do they love to do. And it's been actually, it's a ton of gratification. Yeah. And you're not stretching yourself too thin. You're not chasing after dreams that don't suit you. You're doing what works for you right now. Doing what works for me right now and and there are like all of us. There are times when you feel like you're hitting a wall But you can't ask a mother in the middle of summer if she feels like she's balanced I mean all she's eaten for six weeks is french fries Even if you really consider yourself to be a healthy individual There's I mean, I I can't I can't look at a french fry until December at this point Well, let's talk about motherhood because having a very high powerful career and balancing motherhood, three kids, like, everybody's busy. And you even said this, like, here you are in Chicago, somebody else is shuttling your kids around. Do you experience the guilt? And if you do, how do you kind of pull yourself out of that funk? Well, I think I've spent a lot of time and money in therapy to realize that I probably need my kids more than they need me. I mean, we waited for years to have kids. We had the very, which now seems commonplace, infertility issues. We spent hundreds of thousands of dollars. We spent almost eight years just trying to get our family physically in our arms. And so, um, I actually never thought that I would love being a mother this much, but I genuinely do. Uh, It could be some Freudian issue as to why I love my children so much. Maybe we could dig deep into that about mommy issues. I had a wonderful childhood. I'm not sure why, but, um, you know, I think I, I get it. The time with them is short. The guilt is when I leave to go to the bathroom, right? It gets to a point where I get guilt fatigue. And I actually say that I have a little meter and it's like, what? I'm so glad that it's already X'd out because now I'm numb and I don't feel anything at all. And I catch myself making selfless decisions that bite me a little bit. I took the latest flight into Chicago last night and somehow had to get up at two o'clock in the morning for a morning show. But then again, I don't know. I mean, you just get so few hours with them. I already see my nine year old girl preparing for a very normal developmental of preferring her peers over me. So if I can just be away from her for 36 hours in a month, then I'll make it abundantly clear to whatever management I have to that these are the boundaries that I have. It'll kill me if you don't choose me for the job, but It'll put me closer to my children. So this is all this, you get what you get. And I've found that the vulnerability piece has been the most successful part of me navigating the workplace in my forties as a mom, just being willing and open to say, this is what I needed this time in my life. As it relates to my family. That's my number one priority. Yeah, and people are really receptive. Um, I mentioned the, the guardians of my galaxy. I think I've just had these little, little guardian angels and I don't mean to be sexist, but they have been women throughout my career. I mean, the very first woman who hired me is Suzanne Scott, who now runs the Fox news channel. I certainly haven't talked to her in years and it's a very busy woman, but. Yeah. She was definitely someone who guarded me for the first couple years of my career. I worked for Greta Van Susteren, who is now over at Newsmax, but I just texted her a few weeks ago on a case that we worked on, you know, the OJ Simpson case years ago. I mean, I was Entering news at that point, but that was where she got her break. And it was, I just made, it just made me think of her. And then the woman who actually brought me onto News Nation, her name is Sherry Gretsch, and she worked at the Fox News Channel. It's a loss for them because she's one of the best female leaders I've ever worked for. Uh, because I think she just, is able to communicate with people. It's very, it's blunt. And I don't think it could be any, any bit more gracious, if that makes sense. She just walks such a fine line. And, and I think that, that she's someone who has given me an opportunity I don't think was there, especially before COVID. I love that. A whole bunch of women. And my biggest thing that I think is going on here is number one, the mentorship, which is so key for all of us who are in that role is the mentorship. And then also my friend Caroline Adams is coined this word ampliship, which is what you just did, which is when you amplify the names of other women, right? Because we so often don't talk about other women's names and they don't get the recognition they deserve, but you just drop four names. Three bombs right there. For all of these amazing mentors who served you, do you find a red thread kind of between them that really kind of drew them to you? Whether it was a core value of theirs or just how they commanded a room? I think what all, all of them, all of them are capable of listening and one of the biggest reasons I think they are successful. is they put you in the same boat as them. So I remember being working for, and Greta Van Cessner is one of them, she had a very small staff 20 years ago, and she was at 10 p. m prime time when Fox was in his prime, so she didn't have to have a small staff. And she would say, we're on the same boat, so if I go down, you go down. And I think for someone who's 21 years old, for just a, just a little twinkle, it puts you on their level, which you're not, right? You know, this is a woman who's been working for decades and I'm a 21 year old assistant who's trying to hide her armpit sweat in the middle of a, you know, a national newsroom with, with presidential candidates and all of these, these big figures. Um, and, and Sherry said the same thing to me after I was laid off. From HLN from CNN. It was, it was a big layoff and it was in December. It was hundreds of us. And she said, I think we can figure out something that works for you and that works for us. And that's just another example of being in the same boat. Because I'm talking to a woman who's the Senior Vice President of a network, and in that wrinkle of time, I felt like we were equals. When she's my boss, it's her choice whether or not she wants to hire me. She could hire someone who, Is younger and doesn't have kids and doesn't have seven chickens and doesn't have three dogs and can travel because that was me. I mean, for, for 10 years, I lived out of a suitcase and that's what networks want. But instead she said, okay, I'm not going to get you for five days a week. Can we talk about getting you for three and in what capacity? And I said, if I'm available, I'm yours. The only thing that would take me away from an opportunity at work would be my family. That that mutual respect has been honored for the past year, and I think it's working out for both of us. I love that. And I love that. They're willing to be flexible and meet you where you are. And, and hopefully that is the wave of the future for so many of these workforces out there, especially as we bring more women into higher level positions. Like that is the most important thing is that flexibility. We're not multi, like one dimensional. You know, we have all of these lives and these things going on around us. How have you and your husband with, with two high power careers been able to balance family and work and keep everything running. I would say that there's not a day go by when, even if it's hard, that we just don't have a substantial amount of gratitude. And Darren is, is Hugely easy to be married to, and I would give Darren the credit for teaching me how to communicate. I had a very blessed childhood. I wouldn't say that we were like the highest on our communication skills. Um, and Darren taught me how to argue, which is actually just a, a, a normal, you know, way that marriage is conducted. Uh, but that's something that I had to learn. And I would say that, that, um, I'm still evolving in that and that, that helps me in my career. And that helps me, um, personally. And I would also say acceptance of the other person, acceptance of their choices. Has helped our marriage be successful. And that's another thing that has developed recently. When Darren retired, I went through what I think was my own metamorphosis, right? Because I was just stepping into a new network. It was life. He was retiring when we had our third. So what does that look like for us? And I actually felt like work, I was able to work more. So my life got a little bit more stressful and you and I had talked earlier. I had to shed a lot of things that didn't serve me. And I had to shed relationships. I had to shed friendships. I had to shed my dependency on alcohol and really focus on where I was going to place my energy. So energy and friendships that weren't serving me went to figuring out how I'm going to balance a 2am shift, go home and pick up the kids from camp, and then go to a pool party. Um, and you know, what wasn't going to be part of that equation is alcohol. And that was a huge change for me. And it's really only been six or seven months. But I don't think there's any going back. Yeah, no, I love that. And it's so true. Someone who is a non drinker, once you actually remove that from your life, it is wild how much more time you have, how much more space you have for other things, how much more patient you are with your children and your husband. Like, it's incredible. That's been my experience. So I'm excited for you on that. But on that, Yeah, that those are a lot of big changes, right? Shedding all of those things that are no longer serving you was there a catalyst that really just kind of said this has got to change where I need to make some drastic changes so that I'm aligning with who I want to be at my core and the wife and the mom I want to be, or was it a gradual? you know, coming, coming to once your husband retired and kind of was able to be more with the family. It was both. Yeah. Uh, because it, it, it was a decision, a decision that I made, uh, to work on myself in my late thirties when I said, okay, I'm, I'm happy with who I am. We made a move. You know, to a better school district for our children that we were, we were settling down after 11 moves. We had moved all over the country. Darren had played for a half a dozen teams and I had worked for networks all over the country. That was a big catalyst when I said, this is my fresh start. I want to be more conscious of the relationships that I have. And I will tell you that there was collateral damage, right? It was, it was a huge, uh, that catalyst, that move was a huge turning point in our marriage because for the most part, Darren and I have always agreed on just about everything, which up until that argument, I realized. Wasn't even a good sign. And finally, I said there are things that we, we don't have to agree on something that isn't important. We agree on everything that is important, but maybe some relationships in our life that aren't serving me anymore, and maybe serving you, well, that's okay, we can disagree on this. The drinking was gradual, and I think you've experienced this. I just got to a point of exhaustion where I physically will not be able to maintain a the back and forth, the decision fatigue, the, am I going to just wait till Thursday? And then suddenly my weekend start on Wednesday, I needed to eliminate that to have more energy to even compete at the national level. And keep in mind, I'm not doing 40 to 50 hours a week. Sometimes I am, but at the same time, in order for me to perform at the national level, I simply cannot be wasting energy when I don't have it. Okay. No, we're already tapped out, right? Three kids, a career, we're already tapped out. We're already tapped out. We really are. Well, Elizabeth, we've covered a plethora of sticky floors, like almost all of them, and even ones I never even imagined. I can't, I, I just, I love it. We've covered so much, but I want to know what is next for you. What's, I mean, I know we've got the news job, but what is next? It's so funny. Um, you know, I asked that question to myself quite a lot. Uh, and I, I reached out to a couple of my guardians and I consider one of my guardians to be also Christy Paul, who is a former CNN anchor and Lynn Smith, who you also know, former NBC anchor. So, you know, I, I'm never too, I always tell, if you're one of my guardians, you know, never too proud to call you up and talk about myself. You know, I do want to listen about you, but you know more about me. And so I think as I continue to grow, uh, I keep those conversations open all the time. And I also keep a really open mind as to what's new. I made changes, which I told you, I started becoming more active on social media, which is a, which is a slippery slope for me because I do have that nine year old daughter and you and I are both educated on the dangers of social media. So I just kind of take that one day at a time. Um, but I don't think that my career will be Always the same and I, and I'm really open, open to new ideas and new things. I always tell when my, my husband asked me the same question, cause he said, are you going to, are you going to stay? Are you going to stay with news nation? I said, of course I'm happy now. I'm really happy now. The only time I'll make a change in my career is when I feel like I'm not learning anymore. And I remember I was really young. I was like 27 years old sitting in Roger Ailes office and. Um, I really wanted to start a family. Darren and I were thinking about it. Of course, it didn't happen until we were in our thirties and he asked me what I wanted. And he, and I said to him, I said, every day I want to come to work and I want to learn something new. And there was like a really blunt pregnant pause. And he said, why usually people ask me for a show. And I said, I don't, I don't know. Oh, I don't want to show. He didn't know what to do. He was like, well, that's weird. Yeah, I guess it didn't fit the narrative. So I wasn't, I, I never had anything awful happen to me. I was at Fox news for 15 years. I don't know if I should be taking that personal. I don't know if I don't look bright, if I don't fit the narrative, but I was in his office many times. And when I, when I watched the movie, I said, well, damn, I I guess I don't have it. Oh my goodness, I love it. Well, I've got one last question for you, and it's one that I love to ask everybody, but if you could go all the way back in time to the woman who's jet setting around the world, she doesn't know where this is all gonna lead, she's struggling with the imposter syndrome and all of the other sticky floors, what piece of advice would you give her today? Well, one that I heard and I didn't listen to was just to slow down. I could never slow down, and maybe you experienced this too, much more so, probably when we were drinking more, but It's the spiral. I mean, I wish I had the tools and the tricks that I didn't get until that catalyst I told you about to just slow everything down, to slow your nervous system down. Because once you start to spiral, it transfers into everything in your life, your professional, your personal. And I don't think, and I'm still, I mean, I'm still working on it, right? I'm still a work in progress, but slowing down is one of the biggest strengths anyone can have to just breathe. You know, everybody says you have to slow down to speed up and I never believed that for the longest time, you know, it's not until I'm in my very late 30s that it's like, no, no, you do need to just do nothing. You need to sit and you need to be still and boom. So I love that piece of advice. That is amazing advice. Where can people find you if they're like, oh, my God, this woman's amazing. I've got to track her down. Where can they find you? Yeah, I wish I was that interesting. Well, I'm on Twitter, Elizabeth Pran. I'm also on Instagram. Um, if they want to watch NewsNation, there's an app that you can find, a channel finder, because there are a number of affiliates across the country. You can stream it on Hulu. You can also stream it on YouTube TV. So there is a myriad of ways that you can watch NewsNation. It's fun. It's a great network. I would try it. I would just try it. Just try it. Keep an open mind. We're going to try it. We're going to try it. Well, Elizabeth, thank you so much. It was such a great conversation. Have a great rest of your day. So much Oh my gosh, what an amazing conversation with Elizabeth Pran from her inspiring journey in journalism to the heartfelt stories of balancing a high powered career with a family life and a famous husband. Elizabeth has shared so many nuggets of wisdom today. Now, if you're looking to learn how to navigate your own career challenges, overcome imposter syndrome and find your niche. This episode was packed with insights just for you. Now be sure that you connect with Elizabeth on Twitter and Instagram. And check out her work on news nation. Thank you so much for joining us today. And remember you are enough just as you are, keep striving, keep thriving and keep breaking through those sticky floors. And don't forget the only ceilings that exist are the ones we place over ourselves. Let's smash through them together.