Fear is Not a Stop Sign with Danielle McCombs

What if the only thing standing between you and your biggest dream was a decades-old "software update" for your brain? Imagine moving across the world or pivoting your career not because you aren't afraid, but because you finally know how to handle the voice telling you to stay small.

In this episode, executive coach and Opposite of Small Talk co-host Danielle McCombs joins Erica Rooney to discuss her upcoming move to London and the science of overcoming mental roadblocks. You’ll learn how to identify your "Saboteurs" through the Positive Intelligence framework and gain practical tools to stay present, even when life feels like a "colossal" undertaking.

Inside the Episode

• The Power of the "Evidence Log": How Danielle’s move from New York to San Francisco 10 years ago provided the "proof of concept" for her leap to London.
• Updating Your Internal Software: Why our coping mechanisms from childhood (Saboteurs) often become the "sticky floors" of our adult professional lives.
• The Positive Intelligence (PQ) Framework: An introduction to the work of Shirzad Chamine and how to identify the "Judge" living inside your head.
• Common Saboteurs for Ambitious Women: A deep dive into the Hyper-Achiever, the Stickler (Perfectionist), and the Avoider.
• The "Dirt Road" vs. The "Autobahn": Why choosing a new mental pathway feels difficult at first—and how neuroplasticity makes it easier over time.
• The Toothbrush Challenge: A simple, 2-minute daily habit to build your mindfulness muscle and increase your PQ.
• The "Mile High" Wedding: A wild, true story of what happens when you take your headphones out and actually stay present in the world.

Resources

• Take the Free Assessment: PositiveIntelligence.com
• Connect with Danielle: DanielleMcCombs.com
• Listen to Danielle’s Podcast: The Opposite of Small Talk

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Transcript

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Erica: Welcome to Glass Ceilings and Sticky Floors, the podcast where we get real about the challenges that women face in work, life and leadership. I'm your host, Eric Rooney, HR executive, keynote speaker and executive coach, and I'm on a mission to get more women into positions of power and keep them there.

This is the space where we call it the paradoxes. Being told to lean in, but not too far to speak up, but not too loudly. Be ambitious, but not too ambitious. Does that sound familiar? Yeah. We're over all that y'all. Here we break down the sticky floors that keep us stuck from imposter syndrome and perfectionism to burnout and fear, and give you real strategies to shadow your glass ceiling once and for all.

So if you're ready to rewrite the rules, own your power, and take your career and life to the next level. You're in the right place. Alright y'all, I need you to get ready to meet an incredible woman who has spent over 20 years mastering the art of professional growth and the [00:01:00] science of human connection, y'all.

Now, today's guest is an executive coach, a seasoned leader, and a change catalyst who has spent two decades at companies like. Sorry, I don't know. Those were wrong. Those two companies that I had listed were wrong, so I was like, she don't work there.

Danielle: I

Erica: Kaylee's gonna cut that part out. All right. Today's guest is an executive coach, a seasoned leader in the industry, and a change catalyst y'all.

Danielle McCombs is now a coach and the co-host of the Opposite of Small Talk podcast, and she empowers high achiever, high achievers to dismantle the mental roadblocks that are holding them back from true fulfill. So y'all know we are totally gonna vibe here today from navigating the high stakes of the real estate industry to reshaping how we approach personal development with heart and with grit.

Y'all, she is proof that you don't have to choose between a thriving career and a meaningful life. 

Erica: Danielle, welcome to the show. How are you today?

Danielle: I am doing well. Thank you so much for having me here, Erica.

Erica: Oh my gosh. Well, I hate to say it, but when this hits the air, I shouldn't say, I hate to say it. I love to say it. You're gonna be a brand new European resident. Tell me about this exciting move.

Danielle: Oh, [00:02:00] so yeah, I am about to embark on a whole new adventure. Um, I currently live in San Francisco. I'm originally from New York. I've been in San Francisco for about 10 years, and I am getting ready to. Move to London, and so it's been a dream of mine for many, many years. I spent time in there when I was in college and kind of fell in love with the city then, and finally, 20 some odd years later, I'm making it a reality.

Erica: Well, I love this, and I know I told you earlier that we were gonna start with like, Hey, your story's in the, in the real estate world. But then this popped into my head and I'm like, you know, a big, bold move like this uncovers so many feelings, so many limiting beliefs and sticky floors. Like, should I do this?

Can I do this? Why am I doing this? And so tell me like, what are some of those thoughts that are swirling through your head right now, and what is keeping you. Like going and pushing through and fulfilling this.

Danielle: So I will say [00:03:00] like I'm having all of the feelings, all of them, right? Is this like so excited to start this new chapter? Terrified to leave the life that I know right now. Really sad to leave behind people that I love. And knowing that like this is all a part of it and it's supposed to happen. And I will tell you, I think that a lot of this, the things that keep pushing me forward are the things that I work with clients with all the time, right?

Like when you're having those thoughts, the things that you're scared about is like, you gotta keep going, or, okay, just because I'm scared doesn't mean I don't do it anyway. And. That came from, you know, I was in commercial real estate for 20 years, but also 10 years ago, made a big move across the country from New York to San Francisco.

And I will say that alone has given me the, the, I know that I can do it. And that was such a huge change to pick up your life. I moved across the country. I didn't know anyone here. I just was like, [00:04:00] oh, there's a job here. Why not? Let's do it. And it has been the best move that I ever made. It has given me so much personally.

It has given me so much professionally, like my whole life has changed here as well, and I do credit, like taking the leap at some point has now allowed me to take these other leaps. It doesn't mean that I am like, oh, of course. Duh, I'm just gonna do this, and this is easy. It's all just happening. I'm still having those same feelings.

I'm just dealing with them differently now. Like I have these different tools to use. I have more experience to draw upon, but I'm able to really be, to do the thing. I think that's it. Like to just believe that I could do the thing where I, if I had never taken that leap 10 years ago, I don't know that I would've, I don't know.

Erica: No, I love this example because. My immediate reaction is like, could never be me, Danielle. Like I would, it [00:05:00] could never, I could never pick up my life and move to London right now. And I wanna acknowledge, especially for everybody who's listening, like Danielle's life and my life look very different, right?

Like, I'm married with these two little kids, they're in school. We have a lot of different nuances, but it still gives me the. The glimmer of possibility and it gives me the reminder that like, no, you can still do it. Like everything I would have to do might look different. I'd have to figure out what schools in London are there, et cetera.

But it's still doable and I think a lot of the women I know that I work with, and I'd love to hear your opinion. When they think about these big, massive life changes, whether that's moving out of the country, taking a new job in a totally different industry, maybe it's getting a divorce, I don't know. So many people just think it couldn't be me because it seems like such. A colossal thing, right? When I think about moving to London, I'm like, I don't even know how the [00:06:00] hell you do that. Right? Like, do I have to get a visa? Do I have to get a work permit? So tell me what were like the little things that kept giving you that confidence to move forward to where you weren't just like, screw it.

There's, I can't figure this dream out.

Danielle: Well, so I'm just gonna go backwards a minute though, because of the experience that I've already had, right? I'm not. When this comes out, I'm in London, but right now I'm not. And I will tell you, I am having all of those fears, all of those things coming up, being like, who do you think you are? I can't do that.

And even though I have proven in my life that I can, that I picked up, I moved 10 years ago, I built an incredible life here and changed so much of my life in the last 10 years. I still have in my head of like, who is that? Who is that person that can do that? A lot of times, and I'm no different than anyone else, there's nothing special about me.

That says, oh, you can do this. Like, yes, I'm single, so I can do it on my own. I don't have other people that I have to, you know, accommodate or I have, bring it along with me, or [00:07:00] whatever it is. Right?

Erica: could make it easier or harder, right?

Danielle: yeah, because

Erica: as someone who comes with a built in ready family, like I already got community when I moved to London. You don't,

Danielle: right? Yeah. And so.

Erica: or harder.

Danielle: Exactly. And so it doesn't matter, right? None of that matters 'cause their circumstances are neutral, right? Like that's just, and you get to decide what you do. And so. I, I do still have that feeling. Like when I read other people's stories of doing this, I'm like, oh, that's so crazy. I can't believe somebody's doing that.

And then I have to remind myself like, you've done that already and you're doing it again, and it's just, you have to take action at some point, right? Like there are a lot of things I have a privilege of. I have my Irish citizenship through my family, which will allow me to live there without a visa.

That's a huge thing that is taken off my plate of something I don't need to worry about. But that is something that I, um, I like I, that's a privilege that I have, but even if I didn't, you could [00:08:00] still do it.

Erica: Yeah, it's a

Danielle: It's a piece of the puzzle that has solved. Exactly. And so there's so much to that. That's Sure.

That's one thing. And then there's this other part of me that just is like, if I don't do it, I'm gonna regret it. And if I don't, and. The worst thing that happens is I get there and it doesn't work and I can go back, I can come back to San Francisco, I can go to New York, I can go someplace totally different.

But knowing that like, I've done this before, I can do it again. And the consequences aren't that dire. Like I the, and knowing that is really helpful, knowing that I can always go back someplace else. And that was the thing that catapulted me. 10 years ago was my life in New York wasn't bad, and I just had this new opportunity, do something new, try something new.

And the worst that would happen is, okay, I went back to New York. And it's also getting [00:09:00] outta your head the part of like, everyone's gonna judge me if that happens. No one's paying that close attention to what I'm doing in my life. And so if I were to come back to New York and say like, oh, San Francisco didn't work right, or I come back to San Francisco, London didn't work.

No one is gonna be like, oh my God, you're such an idiot for taking that risk. It'll be like, oh, great. Like, what was that experience like? And so there are those things that I think that we, those things that we get stuck in is like, everyone's watching and everyone's judging. Nobody is, everybody's so obsessed with themselves that nobody's paying that close attention.

And if they are, those are people who are rooting for you. And if you fall on your face, they are going to be the people there that are gonna pick you back up.

Erica: And if they're the haters. That means you're doing something right. 'cause they still got their eyes on you, but, all right, girl. This just reminds me so much of the masterclass that you did inside her collective, which was just incredible by the way. And [00:10:00] you talked all about positive intelligence. We talked about the saboteurs.

So lay it on us, what is positive intelligence? And then maybe introduce some of these saboteurs.

Danielle: Sure. So Positive Intelligence is a framework, um, by Shazad Shain, and it was created basically to say, listen, we all have these different parts of us, right? So it, it also like overlaps with like internal family systems. I feel like there's a million different ways that people have heard about this. And it's just the way that it's, um, talked about in positive intelligence is basically we all have a judge inside of us, right?

And so what I just talked about was the judges outside of us, but we all have them inside of us as well. And these, this judge has all these like accomplices that show up in different ways. So we have that and these. Work created when we were children, right? When we were young, and we didn't have the ability to take ourselves out of a physical situation, out of an emotional situation.

We found ways to cope that made us feel safe. And then what happens is you fast forward [00:11:00] 30, 35 years and you're still running on that same software of the things that kept you safe when you were a kid, but now you're a grown ass adult and you get to make different decisions. But we don't even know that because we're just running on the same software, right?

So we gotta update things like, I don't know, I just got the last iPhone update and. It's making me a little crazy. But we all have to do that, right? We update those things and then all of a sudden it becomes a part of us. And we don't realize that our text message thing is now on a different place than it was before, within a week.

But we need to be aware that these things are even happening. So part of this, there's a, um, an assessment you can take. And if you go to positive intelligence.com, there's a saboteur assessment. It's totally free. I highly recommend everyone take it. I think you should take it with. Your team's at work, I think you should take it with your partners at home.

I think you should take it with your friends so that you understand how is everybody really working here and what it reveals. It gives you, what are [00:12:00] your top saboteurs, how are those showing up? How often are they showing up in your life? And it tells you like maybe why that these are showing. And I will say I use this with all of my clients.

Some of my clients are like, have you been following me around? How did you know all of this? And other ones are like, yeah, this doesn't land. And if this doesn't land, walk away. Move on. Find something that does. Um, I think the worst thing that you could do is to find something that is not working for you and try to fit yourself into that, your square peg into that round hole.

Don't do that. Don't find the thing that works for you. But for me, this also has helped me so, so much personally. Of telling me like, what are the things that are holding me back? What are the ways that patterns that are showing up in my life that I do and need to be aware of so that I can make a different decision?

And so part of what's really cool, this is all based in neuroscience and positive psychology and cognitive psychology and that. As like we've, you know, have learned more about the brain. We have neuroplasticity, which means we can [00:13:00] change the way that our brains work. And we have these pathways in our brains, these neural pathways that have been there for a really long time.

And so because we have set up these saboteurs that come to keep us small and safe, these well-worn pathways are the ways that we show up in things. And what we need to do is become a aware of them. Number one, just to even know that they're there is really helpful. But then to be aware that like I get to choose something else because I am a grown adult.

I am safe where I am, and I get to make a new decision. And so that is really hard at first, right? Because that neural pathway, that's like the auto bond because we we're halfway down it before we even know that's ever happened. 'cause it's been used so many times. Well now we have to make a different decision and now we're gonna be going down like.

A dirt road, maybe there's a path, maybe there's not, there's rocks, there's branches, you know, and it's gonna feel [00:14:00] harder. But if we want things to be different in our lives, we have to make different decisions. And so going down that path that's harder is not gonna feel good at first, and we're gonna wanna go down that smooth path that's always gotten, but it's always gotten us to the same place.

So we have to just take, make a different decision and when we can start doing that, we can start being aware of the decisions we're making, not making them on autopilot, not making them just the thing that we've always done. We can see changes happening in our lives. And so I, the idea of the move that I'm making right now, I can see my saboteurs everywhere and I have my number one saboteur is an avoider.

So I will tell you, I have downloaded some new games on my phone that I'm playing because, you know, I, I am gonna do that instead of packing

Erica: not pick up a new video game habit?

Danielle: right? Like it, they're all word games, so they're actually really good for my brain. Um, 'cause also my saboteurs are really smart. Like they're really smart being like, no, but like you're [00:15:00] helping your brain health when you play these games.

Instead of not doing the thing that I have to do that's right in front of me, right? And so I need to realize when that's happening. And I need to take a deep breath. I need to get really present and decide I'm going to make a different choice here. 'cause I don't want that to be a thing that's holding me back.

Erica: Hmm. What are some of the other more popular saboteurs that you see show up, especially in like ambitious women who are out there? Where are they getting stuck?

Danielle: So the stickler, which would also be like a perfectionist that is really high, um, hyper achiever. Right. So hyper achiever is I need to get that next promotion. I need to get that, um, I need to get the gold star, I need to get the award. I need to do all those things. And when I, and what we believe with that is when I get all of that, then I'll be, then I'll be safe, then I'll be loved.

And the lie of that is, that's what, not what anybody cares about. That's not gonna keep you safe, that's not gonna, that's not gonna keep you [00:16:00] warm at night. Like, so to know that and to, to acknowledge when that's what you're going after, as opposed to what do you really want here? What are you really looking for?

Erica: Yeah.

Danielle: And then we also

Erica: interesting when we did it inside her collective, so many of the women had like the exact same top three, and I was like, well. attracting the right people here. All of us are. I think a lot of us are those hyper achievers. I know. I certainly was. So with all that being said, Danielle, what are some of the daily habits or the things that you do to ensure that you know, these saboteurs don't show up and destroy all of the work that you're doing, all of the progress that you made.

Like what can these women who are listening here do today to recognize their saboteurs are there? Right. And then. Just bust through 'em

Danielle: So the thing that I think is so important is we have to get really present and we don't do that right? We're always living in the future of [00:17:00] like what needs to happen 10 steps down the road. And if I focus on that, we'll be okay. We're never really like right here where we are. And when we want to make different decisions, we want things to be different.

We have to get really present. And so some ways to do that is to train ourselves. To be in this present state. So it is, meditation really helps, right? To get into a place where you can be present where you are. There's, I would say there's, what they talk about in positive intelligence is part of like your, your PQ brain, right?

So we have your eq, your emotional intelligence, your iq, and then we have your pq, your positive intelligence. And so how do we build up that muscle in your brain? To get yourself to be really present. And so there's little tips of just things to bring yourself to the present moment often throughout the day so that when the stakes are higher, you can do that.

And so one thing is like when you're brushing your teeth, instead of going through your to-do list of the things that you need to do today, which is what [00:18:00] everybody does, right? We just got outta bed. Okay? So I have to respond to that email. I have to pack the kids' lunch, I have to do this X, Y, Z, whatever it is.

But we are missing out on like, oh, I'm actually brushing my teeth, right. Oh, I have minty toothpaste. Oh, there's bubbles here, right? Like, pay attention and if you can get there, then when that those things come up that you wanna make a different choice, you can ring yourself back into your body. You know how to do it right, feeling your feet on the floor.

Since we have been on here for 18 minutes, did you even notice you had feet, Erica?

Erica: Yes, but that's only because I'm a crazy hyperactive and move my feet up and down every two seconds. So I'm al. I always have to be super mindful that I'm not shaking this whole damn computer.

Danielle: Okay. Fair.

Erica: But the brushing your teeth thing girl had me cackling because I am that woman. I am brushing my teeth while trying to also do a two handed thing with my one other hand, like usually squeezing toothpaste onto my other kids' toothbrushes.[00:19:00] 

Or I'm like walking to the kitchen, I'm putting something away. Like I don't think I have ever only just brushed my teeth in like 30 years.

Danielle: Mm-hmm. And so giving yourself that place to be like, oh, I know how to get back to doing the one thing or to doing nothing. Do nothing for two minutes other than brush your teeth, right? And to, so then you know how to, like, when, when that thing comes up that triggers you all the time, that the thing that is going to send you into hyper achiever mode or into stickler mode or controller mode when we can see those patterns and we know that's gonna happen.

We know how to get our body back into this place. We know how to get to the place where we're really present. And then knowing like, all right, I'm gonna choose that really, that really un, you know, the unpaved path that I'm gonna take. And I'm probably gonna hit my head on a branch and I might trip over a rock, but that's okay.

And I, I'm choosing to do that [00:20:00] 'cause I want a different result.

Erica: I love that. So being that you're all the way out in California, I don't know if this has made it to your news sector of the world yet, but there is a Buddhist monk Walk for peace going on right now. It started in Texas. It came right through my neighborhood. And we gotta take the kids out, go watch the Buddhist monks, do their whole walk for peace.

First of all, coolest experience ever. Like when are you ever gonna see that in your life? So that was super cool. But they're doing a lot of teachings as they go, and they're talking about just being present. And the head monk is first of all, hilarious. And he is like, look, all y'all wanna know why you're constipated.

It's 'cause you're on the phone when you're trying to take a poo. And I was like, not the Buddhist monk calling out constipation y'all, but he's also not wrong. Right? Like, how many people in that room chuckled because they got it? And even just saying, like talking about these small moments of, you know, [00:21:00] brushing your teeth and when you're driving, or do you always have to have your phone when you're going on a walk?

Like, yes, yes, and yes. Right. For me, for all of these things, it reminds me that there are so many more other moments where I am not being present, and I, I don't think that we recognize that the small moments count too. We think it only matters if like, oh, I'm present when I'm playing this game with my kid.

I know I have to be present then. But it's also like, no, you should practice being present. Much more frequently. And I do wanna say this before I ask you my next question, 'cause I thought this was fascinating for all of the people listening here who are going like, I can't meditate. I sit there for one minute and then I recognize that I'm thinking about all of these different things.

Danielle: That's what meditation is, by the way.

Erica: That's what it is. But this lovely Buddhist monk said, but once you notice that your mind has wandered, aren't you in the present moment?

Danielle: Mm-hmm.

Erica: And I was like, oh, look at this little Jedi trick. He's got up his sleeve. [00:22:00] Oh my gosh. Okay.

Danielle: the thing that, that's the thing that people think, right? Like, I'm supposed to sit and be the zen person for 30 minutes and my brain will just go blank and all. No, that's not what happens at all. And even for the people who meditate all the time, like no, part of it is, is noticing when your brain goes someplace else and that's okay.

They're like, that's supposed to happen. But it's bringing your mind back to the present moment is the practice of meditation. And that's the part that's like, oh, I do have the power to bring myself back to this. And that's, that's, that's the magic there. I wanna share this quick story 'cause it's kind of totally insane and it brings me to like, I've been now in the last two weeks really trying to be present, to not have my headphones in when I'm walking around to.

Um, really just pay attention. And like in the times that that has happened in the last two weeks, like crazy things have happened. So I was on a flight coming from Wyoming. I was visiting friends in Wyoming. I was coming [00:23:00] back and I had a direct flight to San Francisco. It got, it was canceled due to a mechanical issue.

So I get put on another flight that went through Salt Lake City and then to San Francisco. So I was like, five hours delayed, whatever. It was fine. But I get on the second flight, and I wasn't supposed to be on this flight, right? I was supposed to be on a direct flight to San Francisco. And I sit down and a lot of times I put my headphones right in, like, you know, I don't need to listen to your safety things.

'cause I know it, I'm on a plane all the time and noise canceling, not paying attention. For some reason I didn't do that. And the flight attendant says, we're making an announcement that we would normally make if there was an a, a medical emergency on the flight. We would ask for a doctor or nurse to help us, but we actually have a different announcement.

We have, um, a couple on the plane that would like to get married. Is there anyone on this plane that's able to, um, to officiate a wedding and [00:24:00] Yep. And so I raise

Erica: they wanted you to marry them on the plane.

Danielle: So I, I raised my hand 'cause I've officiated two weddings. Two of my friends like asked me and had me do this amazing thing for them.

But I am a. I am a universal life minister and I can officiate a wedding. And so I told the flight that looked at me and was like, are you serious? And I was like, yeah, I am. So then calls me back to the back of the plane and was like, all right, let's go. And so I, you know, and they were like, I was like, why are you getting married on a plane?

They were like, for military reasons, and they were planning a wedding, but like, by the time they actually get, have the wedding that they want, like, it wouldn't be enough time for her to be listed on his benefits and all of this stuff. So, and they had a, they had a marriage license for Jackson, so I married them on a plane and I'm a part of these

Erica: Isn't there like a location field? On that. I mean, do you

Danielle: There is, yeah. We were in Jackson, right? We were in Jackson. So that's why we had to do it before we took off on the plane. 'cause that was what their marriage license was for.[00:25:00] 

Erica: oh.

Danielle: And it was a really cool experience. It was totally insane. Like it, it's a weird thing, right? Like so I sign off, I marry these people.

And then I started thinking about it and I was like, if I had my headphones in, I never would've heard that. And how many times have I been on a plane before where I didn't pay attention? I was on a plane a couple weeks ago, and then we're. Sitting on the taxiway and all of a sudden I'm like, why is everybody so angry around me?

And I look around and then it's like, so we're gonna be sitting here for three hours. And I was like, oh, I totally missed that. And so I'm trying to like use that as a lesson of being more present, of not constantly trying to, you know, I could have been listening to a podcast, I could have been doing anything and would've missed this really cool opportunity to do something.

And so I just want to use that as an example of like. Take your headphones outta your head, even though you're getting on a plane and you're like, Ugh, I'm delayed. All the things.

Erica: possibly happen on a plane that I wanna be a part of?

Danielle: Great.

Erica: Okay. First of all, I thought you meant you were like in the air. [00:26:00] And that they, the flight attendant got. And I was like, girl, you would win the game. Never have I ever, or like if you had to call Mark and Kelly and try to get Mark to guess which one is a lie, you would win every time with that party trick.

But I mean, I

Danielle: That's a good one.

Erica: that party trick.

Danielle: I don't, maybe I need to, I need to write

Erica: I don't know how you get on their phone call list. That's another thing for another day, but oh my gosh, Danielle. Okay. This has been fantastic. I highly encourage anyone who's here to take that positive intelligence assessment and find out what your saboteurs are was, so, I don't know. Affirming, revealing to see what they were.

I mean, it was definitely like knowing a kindred spirit. When you see your assessment, you're like, yep, that's me. But Danielle, I wanna ask you this. It's always my last question, best question, but if you could go back in time to the Danielle, before she really knew and understood who her saboteurs were, what piece of advice would you give her today knowing everything you know now?[00:27:00] 

Danielle: I feel like it's part of what I said before is like no one is paying that close of attention to you, so go do the thing. Like, don't worry about everybody else's judgment. Don't worry about. What you feel like everybody wants you to do, like do the thing you wanna do and it'll work out. And if it doesn't, you'll figure it out too.

That's the other part is you'll always figure it out, but honestly, like the times that I've taken a risk, it has ended up better than I ever could have imagined. And so you can sit in the same place and say, not me, not me. I can't do it. But to say like, yeah, let's, let's give it a shot and see what happens is.

Really huge and no one's paying that close attention to you. So do what you want.

Erica: Ugh. I love it. And that's a piece of advice I think like I always need to be hearing. That is absolutely one of my saboteurs is worrying about what other people will think. That's why I made a whole damn chapter in my book about it. Because that is a sticky floor that I still [00:28:00] struggle with. But Danielle, thank you so much for being on the show.

Best of luck with the move when this comes out. Everyone, she will be in there. So we will do some follow up. Fun LinkedIn posts. It's like, where in the world is Danielle? Kind of like a where, where's Waldo kind of situation. It'll be fun. But thank you so much for listening. Y'all head to our website. It's danielle mccombs.com.

Check out her podcast. She is a amazing co-host with her friend Christie. And they just have the best time. And also, you can listen to yours truly over there. But if today's conversation lit a fire under you, here's your next move. Don't keep it to yourself. Share this episode with a friend, drop a review and let's keep the conversation going.

Remember that your potential is limitless and the only thing standing in your way are those sticky floors. But now you have the power to break through them. So go out there, take up some damn space and let's shatter some ceilings together. Yeah.